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Assignment Robot
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Sometimes reviews raise questions.
This is the forum to ask general or specific questions to readers or to any member.
E.g. General Questions like 'My readers say I use 'I' too much in my first person narrative, what method can I employ to tackle this?
Or specific questions about your own chapters if you're not quite sure about points that readers are making e.g. 'My readers say some parts slow the narrative down, I think such and such may do this, but can anyone confirm?'
In the future, we'll be introducing a feature to edit chapters at any time when chapters aren't assigned, so should you feel from your reviews that you want to pinpoint readers about certain issues, you can always pop a question or two at the end of your chapters to see if your readers will address them in their reviews.
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demolinero
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Hi - quite a few people were assigned my chapters and three people have declined to review. Is this simply because they are bored out of their skulls by my writing, I ask myself ? I hoped that by doing reviews for others some people would be kind enough to return the favour. I have received one very constsructive review, which I'm acting on, but more would be even more helpful. I'm new to writing and even newer to reviewing. I hope to get better at both. Any help would be appreciated folks!
-Demolinero Find me at at http://www.elizabethjasper.com
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Kestanan
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I have to admit, at least one of the pieces ive been given was beyond my abilty to critique. There was genuinly nothing i could say that would be either constructive or helpfull and nothing i could fault at all. I figure, fair enough, if i cant i cant. I suggest for the sake of your ego you assume thats the case, rather than your writing boring people, trust me on this (beam) As for reviews, theyll come mate. K.
Cheer Up! Tommorow will be worse
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demolinero
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Quote: Kestanan, Sunday, 26 Mar 2006 19:31I have to admit, at least one of the pieces ive been given was beyond my abilty to critique. There was genuinly nothing i could say that would be either constructive or helpfull and nothing i could fault at all. I figure, fair enough, if i cant i cant. I suggest for the sake of your ego you assume thats the case, rather than your writing boring people, trust me on this (beam) As for reviews, theyll come mate. K. Hi again Just done a free will on Laziness. Really, really loved it. Oh, and did get another review today. short, but sweet. Thanks for the encouragement.
-Demolinero Find me at at http://www.elizabethjasper.com
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QBall
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So far I have reviewed three stories, two of which I admit I have little to contribute as constructive advice. The reason is the genre does not fit in with my reading preferences. I have not turned down any of my assignments and I have tried to be as fair as possible with the authors. I hope authors do not take offence at my rambling; as an old fogie my take on some material may be biased. Rest assured I will not say anything detrimental. Cheers, QBall (aka L. Roger Quilter).
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GD
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Quote: QBall, Tuesday, 4 Apr 2006 00:31So far I have reviewed three stories, two of which I admit I have little to contribute as constructive advice. The reason is the genre does not fit in with my reading preferences. I have not turned down any of my assignments and I have tried to be as fair as possible with the authors. I hope authors do not take offence at my rambling; as an old fogie my take on some material may be biased. Rest assured I will not say anything detrimental. Cheers, QBall (aka L. Roger Quilter).  Thank you very much for your review of my writing, What's in a Name? Your review was in no way rambling, thank you so much for taking the time to read the earlier chapters. As for being an old fogie, I'm sure you're not. Thanks again.
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Modest Mouse
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Hi - I'm fairly new to this site but have done 9 reviews so far. Not all of them were my cup of tea, so to speak, but I've always been able to provide comment and express an opinion. If I were to end up assigned a piece of writing that I feel was beyond my ability to critique by dint of it being so good, that would be the feedback I would provide. Constructive criticism is essential in order for us to improve, or to at least reassess, but sometimes an encouraging 'well done' is just as valuable.
Ah'm anither yin in the Shed http://www.bookshed.eu
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Assignment Robot
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It's a good point. I think different reviews can be taken in different ways. Some members have commented that an encouraging comment, even if not with much constructive criticism added, can be valued at times (particularly for early reviews). At other times, more constructive 'meat' will be desired.
We were thinking about the value of mentioning to reviewers if their review will be a story's first review e.g. not to sway one way or other but for the reviewer to still give straightforward opinion but perhaps be that bit more aware in their review phrasing.
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Timber Beast
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Modest, I use the categories of characters, narrative, story, ideas, etc. These can be useful in answering the writer’s concerns; e.g. are the characters well formed and believable? Is the dialogue crisp and does it move the story forward? This helps me for the majority of the stories on YWO. I use the remove function for the downright weird and experimental.
Best, Norm "Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - Julius (Groucho) Marx normbenson.comTo everything blog, blog, blog
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Modest Mouse
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Quote: Timber Beast, Thursday, 21 Jun 2007 14:20Modest, I use the categories of characters, narrative, story, ideas, etc. These can be useful in answering the writer’s concerns; e.g. are the characters well formed and believable? Is the dialogue crisp and does it move the story forward? This helps me for the majority of the stories on YWO. I use the remove function for the downright weird and experimental. Yes, I've had that type of crit. through a writers' group that I used to belong to (but which, sadly, no longer exists). I personally find it very useful simply because once I get an idea in my head I tend to get the writing of the story component done first and then, through my revises and edits, go back and sort out the technical aspects. For me, there's a huge responsibility on the individual receiving the crit (as opposed to the 'critter'!) to take it in the spirit that it is intended. As a sort of unrelated aside, I think the system of critting this site adopts to be far superioir to any other writing site I've come across.
Ah'm anither yin in the Shed http://www.bookshed.eu
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martinelillycrop
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Quote: Modest Mouse, Thursday, 21 Jun 2007 13:13If I were to end up assigned a piece of writing that I feel was beyond my ability to critique by dint of it being so good, that would be the feedback I would provide. Constructive criticism is essential in order for us to improve, or to at least reassess, but sometimes an encouraging 'well done' is just as valuable. Hi, I agree with your comment about reviewers giving encouragement and rating the work, rather than rejecting it or letting the 7 days elapse. I've done 12 reviews to allocate to my opening of, 'Flower Maiden', and since uploading on 3rd June have only received 5 reviews. The chapters always have someone assigned to them, but I don't seem to get the reviews. After 5 critiques Flower Maiden is at 17 in the charts (last time I looked), so the reviews I am getting aren't bad. Is this 'genre snobbery', or is it just that people have nothing constructive to say? I confess, I'm mystified.
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YouWriteOn
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Hi Martine The following may not apply to your story but it may be worth considering: we've noted that if the immediate look of a story appears particularly 'genre specific' in title and brief synopsis e.g. very sci-fi, or very action or romance, etc, it can sometimes effect the amount of reviews it receives. We've noted for a number of stories this may be one contributing reason if they receive a delay in receiving reviews. One review recently commented that the story type looked so genre specific (romance) on the story's cover page in its title and brief synopsis, that they nearly didn't get past the cover page. They commented that when they did the story was nothing like they'd expected with their preconceptions of the genre and were glad they read the story. This is commented on a lot when readers get past genre preconceptions and it often opens up readers to genres that they don't normally consider. We suggested the advice below to the writer, who is a very helpful reviewer on site, and they themselves commented that they often had the same approach when they considered assignments: "Many thanks for the useful advice. It seems obvious now - some people will avoid (or put off!) out-and-out romance (which the book actually isn't) in the way that I avoid fantasy and sci-fi. An object lesson in marketing the novel - even before publication! I have now recieved another (favourable) review but will look again at my presentation as you suggest." The following was from our email to the writer which it may be worth considering: Once a reviewer gets past their genre preconception, e.g. which a more neutral title/synopsis may encourage - they may often be more open minded about the story. Initially though it is about getting the reader to do this. For the purpose of receiving more reviews on site , as it may be possible that the initial 'look' of a story' is influencing the number of reviews you receive, it can be worth considering repitching the story title and brief synopsis as if to a book browser looking in a book store that you have a few seconds to attach the attention of. Specifically, consider pitching a different or more genre neutral story title and brief synopsis so that the potential reviewer won't make a decision based purely on their genre preconceptions . Click the edit button next to your story title on your edit if you wish to try this. It could reap dividends for your story and the amount of reviews received. When the new functions come in - to be reviewed by genre fans - you can choose to switch back, as this is when specific genre targeting can be useful, but for the current random assignment process you may wish to try this different approach. The above may not always apply, but it can be worth looking at the story's initial cover page, title, synopsis and picture if applicable, to consider the immediate impact on the reader who receives the assignment. Ted
This post was last edited by YouWriteOn, 10 Jul 2007, 13:14
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spotty leopard
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One used to be able to see on the statistics page how many people had chosen not to review one's extract. This, taken with other information, could be useful. Any chance of getting this feature back? random jottings with quite nice pictures
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YouWriteOn
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Yes, we can certainly look at this. There's still a very large amount of features to comes in so it will take time along with the rest of them.
Ted
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Mark J Howard
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I learned quite early on to look past my own genre prejudice. I have found that some of the best work I've read on YWO has been labelled as a genre I wouldn't normally bother with, and some of the most disappointing have been in genres that I'd normally go for.
I think that the publishing world does love to pigeonhole books, but this can be as much of a straightjacket as it is a guide for potential readers. Maybe there should be a provision for people to write their own genre descriptions, rather than just having to choose from a set list. Although, whether this would be a useful feature or not is something I can't predict.
I'd also like to see a feature on My Page that tells me the current chart position of my efforts and also the highest position it's achieved so far. This is, however, a purely selfish thing as it's often a chore to trawl through all the charts just to see how well/badly I'm doing.
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