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bilious maximus
 08 Aug 2008, 10:50 #41254 Reply To Post
Is freedom of speech on the way out in this country?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2521794/Publisher-Random-House-has-pulled-a-novel-about-Islam-over-protest-fears.html

YouWriteOn
 08 Aug 2008, 13:17 #41266 Reply To Post
During the days of Chistendom in the middle ages the makers of Father Ted probably would have been burnt at the stake. It seems to take a good few hundred years, a sense of humour and democracy to enable freedom of speech in religion. Saying that, Monty Python's Life of Brian is still banned in Aberystwyth. Though the mayor is looking to overturn this, a vicar looks to be in protest. So I think we may be in for a long haul beyond our lifetime for other controversial areas!

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bilious maximus
 08 Aug 2008, 13:30 #41268 Reply To Post
Quote: YouWriteOn, Friday, 8 Aug 2008 13:17
During the days of Chistendom in the middle ages the makers of Father Ted probably would have been burnt at the stake. It seems to take a good few hundred years, a sense of humour and democracy to enable freedom of speech in religion. Saying that, Monty Python's Life of Brian is still banned in Aberystwyth. Though the mayor is looking to overturn this, a vicar looks to be in protest. So I think we may be in for a long haul beyond our lifetime for other controversial areas!

View BBC News Story


Sad though ain't it. I noted after posting the story link that it was RH who pulled the book. (Bit impolitic of me under the circumstances. Sorry 'bout that.)

On the other hand, if writers have a duty to tell the truth (arguably), then while publishers have a duty to their shareholders and of course a duty of care to their staff, do they not also have a duty to publish the truth now and then? Or is that naively idealistic in these 'Dawkinsesque' days?

(And thank all that's holy for the makers of today's 'Father Ted' or we wouldn't have a YWO!)

This post was last edited by bilious maximus, 08 Aug 2008, 13:47
slavandria
 09 Aug 2008, 05:21 #41315 Reply To Post
Quote: bilious maximus, Friday, 8 Aug 2008 13:30
Quote: YouWriteOn, Friday, 8 Aug 2008 13:17
During the days of Chistendom in the middle ages the makers of Father Ted probably would have been burnt at the stake. It seems to take a good few hundred years, a sense of humour and democracy to enable freedom of speech in religion. Saying that, Monty Python's Life of Brian is still banned in Aberystwyth. Though the mayor is looking to overturn this, a vicar looks to be in protest. So I think we may be in for a long haul beyond our lifetime for other controversial areas!

View BBC News Story


Sad though ain't it. I noted after posting the story link that it was RH who pulled the book. (Bit impolitic of me under the circumstances. Sorry 'bout that.)

On the other hand, if writers have a duty to tell the truth (arguably), then while publishers have a duty to their shareholders and of course a duty of care to their staff, do they not also have a duty to publish the truth now and then? Or is that naively idealistic in these 'Dawkinsesque' days?

(And thank all that's holy for the makers of today's 'Father Ted' or we wouldn't have a YWO!)



My dear friend, freedom of speech went out with the window with the introduction of political correctness and this insane idea we must not offend others, even if it means we are to be offended. Truth is a hard pill to swallow, even more so when it is in black and white. Silence the voice of the writers, you silence the voice of the masses. It's what "they" want. If we are not allowed to think, we the sheeple are easier to control. It is the way to world domination...

I see the making of a novel..."The Sheeple Doctrine" hmmm.... I must write now, incognito of course. lest anyone find me and think me to be offensive.
This post was last edited by slavandria, 09 Aug 2008, 05:22
Jen

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The Publisher
 10 Aug 2008, 01:01 #41413 Reply To Post
It is worrying - especially the self-censorship of Random House in this instance (if the story is true). It was the same with the cartoons, which had been published in newspapers in muslim countries several months before any trouble arose. Yet the idiocy of it was that no British paper was prepared to print them so people could see what the fuss was about. For years I boycotted WH Smith because they withdrew The Satanic Verses from sale when people started burning books in Bradford. Hardly the actions of a bookseller on the side of free speech...

I don't know how the story applies to the UK, or if it simply described the situation in America. I expect that the vast majority of muslims in this country (UK) are as embarrassed and appalled by this censorship as I am, for it singles out their religion as something that cannot be written about when Jerry Springer the Opera is aired without problems on TV. This implies that the nation's media thinks the muslims living here are rabid fundamentalists and if they continue to assert that impression then it will create sufficient divides and tensions that the prophecy could become self-fulfilling.

The Guardian tried to stir up a fuss over the filming of Brick Lane where I live, claiming the local community was up in arms about it. In fact most people from the local community were queuing up hoping to be cast as extras.

Sorry to be serious, but it's nearly impossible to write without offending someone. I say we should not be cowed, but should get on with it, treating everybody and every religion equally, even if it is equally badly.
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