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ellefie
 06 Sep 2008, 19:56 #43572 Reply To Post
I refer to this article here.

Now, whatever you may think of Enid Blyton as a writer, I think it's dreadful they plan on re-working her, even if she is seen to be xenophobic, sexist and racist by today's standards. She is reflective of her time after all.

Can you imagine re-working the works of Charles Dickens, Oliver Twist let's say, because we no longer have workhouses and the Poor Law? Deeming his works to be unsuitable to the modern standard, and changing them to suit modernity?

Is it just me who disagrees with this modern treatment of Blyton?

As someone who wants to be a writer, I would hate it if my work was altered after my death because I wrote in the context of the world I lived in. Isn't that part of what writing is about anyway - sharing experiences that may differ from the reader's comfort zone? Should censorship like this be allowed?

Let me know what you think!
richie_d
 06 Sep 2008, 20:49 #43578 Reply To Post
I think she was xenophobic, sexist and rascist even by the standards of her day!
Cordero
 06 Sep 2008, 22:25 #43580 Reply To Post
What happened to good old Billy Bunter? I loved those stories as a kid. I didn't care that he was a fat, dishonest, greedy lump, I just wanted to be at Greyfriars with the remove. Good memories, but try and find a Bunter book today? - no chance. It makes me boil!
MLT
 06 Sep 2008, 22:31 #43581 Reply To Post
Blyton isn't the only one to be rewritten. Thomas the Tank Engine no longer has a FAT Controller and I believe the Chalet School books are also being 'brought up to date'

So far it only seems to be children's books that are deemed to be in need of 'modernisation'.

I suspect it has as much to do with greed as with political correctness. As long as they are out of copyright you can rewrite them, give them a new lease of life and make money from them.

However, it can't have escaped some people's notice that Chaucer, Shakespeare, Dickens and some more modern 'greats' are unsuitable for readers of a sensitive disposition. Fortunately they are never likely to grace the shelves in Tesco, so may survive without even attracting a health warning.
Katkin
 07 Sep 2008, 10:25 #43594 Reply To Post
Quote: MLT, Saturday, 6 Sep 2008 22:31
Blyton isn't the only one to be rewritten. Thomas the Tank Engine no longer has a FAT Controller and I believe the Chalet School books are also being 'brought up to date'.



But the Chalet School books had glamorous European locations, strong female characters from multicultural backgrounds, anti-Nazi plotlines... Better still, they were a Damn Good Read.

What's un-PC about the Chalet School books?
ellefie
 07 Sep 2008, 12:55 #43603 Reply To Post
Quote:
I suspect it has as much to do with greed as with political correctness. As long as they are out of copyright you can rewrite them, give them a new lease of life and make money from them.


Yes, I believe money is playing a BIG part as well. The reasoning the Estate gave behind this modernisation was:

By creating new stories that capture Blyton's values of imagination, wonder, thrills and happy endings, we hope to complement her original and ongoing titles and bring joy to millions more children in the years to come.



READ: We hope to make millions more in the years to come ...
NickP
 07 Sep 2008, 12:56 #43604 Reply To Post
Noddy Goes To School (1952):

The little golliwog stayed and watched Noddy get out his hose and begin to wash his car.

"When are you going to clean its teeth and brush its hair?" asked the cheeky golliwog.

"I'll wash your face and clean your teeth first!" said Noddy fiercely, and turned the hose on to the small golliwog. The water splashed into his face and made him yell.

Mrs Tubby Bear came over from next door and laughed. "That just serves the cheeky fellow right," she said. "He's a scamp. He keeps coming and knocking at my door and then running away. It's clever of you to wash his face for him so suddenly!"

Noddy felt pleased. He watched the little golliwog running down the street, water dripping from his naughty black face.





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Clairann
 07 Sep 2008, 13:09 #43605 Reply To Post
I agree wholeheartedly about the Chalet School books - great female role models, brilliant plots and intrigues plus educational, with the whole anti-Nazi European backdrop. It's a shame they are not 'trendy' anymore.

When I worked in a children's library 'The Diary Of Anne Frank' was consistently the most requested, most popular children's book year after year. It even beat Harry Potter! Which shows that there is still a market for more gritty, realistic and historical books among young readers.

'A person is a fool to become a writer. His only compensation is absolute freedom.' Roald Dahl
slavandria
 07 Sep 2008, 15:57 #43618 Reply To Post
Quote: ellefie, Saturday, 6 Sep 2008 19:56
I refer to this article here.

Now, whatever you may think of Enid Blyton as a writer, I think it's dreadful they plan on re-working her, even if she is seen to be xenophobic, sexist and racist by today's standards. She is reflective of her time after all.

Can you imagine re-working the works of Charles Dickens, Oliver Twist let's say, because we no longer have workhouses and the Poor Law? Deeming his works to be unsuitable to the modern standard, and changing them to suit modernity?

Is it just me who disagrees with this modern treatment of Blyton?

As someone who wants to be a writer, I would hate it if my work was altered after my death because I wrote in the context of the world I lived in. Isn't that part of what writing is about anyway - sharing experiences that may differ from the reader's comfort zone? Should censorship like this be allowed?

Let me know what you think!


I think it is horrible what this world is coming to. You have to "lie" to express yourself. How dare we offend anyone. History is history. We can't change it but we can learn from it. If you're writing a book about slaves or child labor in the 1700, 1800's, then you have to understand the way life was back then and you have to give your characters those attributes and traits that make us either dispise or love them.

Everything we do or say anymore has to be politically correct and it really irritates the crap out of me. why are we living in fear of expressing our opinions? Supression, I say. Could you imagine Orwell's 1984 trying to get published now? It wouldn't happen. The world is not kind and every day it is getting worse because we are not allowed to speak up for fear we may step on someone's toes. Our freedom to speak what we feel is slowly slipping away. Is it any wonder that the written word is under attack as well? It's sickening...

Sorry. I'll get off my soap box.
Jen

"There are books of which the backs and covers are by far the best parts." Charles Dickens
jacobea
 13 Sep 2008, 21:08 #43920 Reply To Post
Books should be left as they were written, ie, reflective of there times. It's stupid to PC them for modern audiences-what'll there be next-condoms in Fanny Hill ?
JDSmith
 14 Sep 2008, 16:27 #43973 Reply To Post
Quote: jacobea, Saturday, 13 Sep 2008 21:08
Books should be left as they were written, ie, reflective of there times. It's stupid to PC them for modern audiences-what'll there be next-condoms in Fanny Hill ?


JD
missmorston
 17 Sep 2008, 17:08 #44159 Reply To Post
What Nick forgot was the main thrust (pardon the pun) of Noddy - that he and Big Ears (who would be aurally challenged nowadays) slept together and even made comments on their striped pyjamas
And nobody has mentioned Rupert Bear yet - I have a whole swathe that my Dad cut out of the newspaper - the little black girl was known as a 'coon' and the chinese fared little better. Yet they are super stories!

On another note, I had a row and a half with a guy who said he rewrote the battle scenes in LOTR to read it to his kids because the armies of Mordor were invariably black - what????

Oh - and what about all that corporal punishment in the old days - as I recall Blyton was a bugger for it!!

What are we all coming to???
Stop the sketch - it's too silly
David Powell
 20 Sep 2008, 17:38 #44356 Reply To Post
I remember reading to my eldest son the line, 'One day Noddy was walking down the road feeling a little queer'

How's that for non pc?

ps It was a long time ago.
mathewferguson
 28 Sep 2008, 13:54 #45006 Reply To Post
Quote: ellefie, Saturday, 6 Sep 2008 19:56
I refer to this article here.

Now, whatever you may think of Enid Blyton as a writer, I think it's dreadful they plan on re-working her, even if she is seen to be xenophobic, sexist and racist by today's standards. She is reflective of her time after all.

Can you imagine re-working the works of Charles Dickens, Oliver Twist let's say, because we no longer have workhouses and the Poor Law? Deeming his works to be unsuitable to the modern standard, and changing them to suit modernity?

Is it just me who disagrees with this modern treatment of Blyton?

As someone who wants to be a writer, I would hate it if my work was altered after my death because I wrote in the context of the world I lived in. Isn't that part of what writing is about anyway - sharing experiences that may differ from the reader's comfort zone? Should censorship like this be allowed?

Let me know what you think!


Of course they were correct to rewrite those books. Racism, sexism, thieves' motivations simply as "they're foreign" -- these are not ideas we tolerate now.

These books are specifically aimed at children, not adults who can understand "this book is like that because of the era it was written in". So children will be reading racism handled like it was all ok. They will be learning fear of foreigners and a whole range of out-dated ideas.

Yes, we should absolutely rewrite children's literature to remove author and era racism and the like. It is fine for a character to be a racist if the story requires it. It is not fine for the story to endorse racism or these other disgusting ideas.

This is not censorship. If you wrote a book today and carelessly inserted the forms of racism and sexism that exists in Blyton your book would never be published.

False comparisons abound as soon as talk starts on this topic. How quickly it goes from discussing racism to someone asking if a steam engine should be cut. What idiot really thinks these are comparable? Oh, we need to keep the steam engine so it looks like we're going to need to keep the racism too.

There is a very BIG difference between removing offensive era-generated concepts and cutting historical facts.

Ask yourself this - if you said the original should be left as is -- would you allow your child's black friend to borrow and read the books? Would you read the books to a mixed race class? Their little innocent faces looking up at you as you spurt out some racist garbage from the depths of time?
slavandria
 28 Sep 2008, 15:00 #45013 Reply To Post
Quote: mathewferguson, Sunday, 28 Sep 2008 13:54
Quote: ellefie, Saturday, 6 Sep 2008 19:56
I refer to this article here.

Now, whatever you may think of Enid Blyton as a writer, I think it's dreadful they plan on re-working her, even if she is seen to be xenophobic, sexist and racist by today's standards. She is reflective of her time after all.

Can you imagine re-working the works of Charles Dickens, Oliver Twist let's say, because we no longer have workhouses and the Poor Law? Deeming his works to be unsuitable to the modern standard, and changing them to suit modernity?

Is it just me who disagrees with this modern treatment of Blyton?

As someone who wants to be a writer, I would hate it if my work was altered after my death because I wrote in the context of the world I lived in. Isn't that part of what writing is about anyway - sharing experiences that may differ from the reader's comfort zone? Should censorship like this be allowed?

Let me know what you think!


Of course they were correct to rewrite those books. Racism, sexism, thieves' motivations simply as "they're foreign" -- these are not ideas we tolerate now.

These books are specifically aimed at children, not adults who can understand "this book is like that because of the era it was written in". So children will be reading racism handled like it was all ok. They will be learning fear of foreigners and a whole range of out-dated ideas.

Yes, we should absolutely rewrite children's literature to remove author and era racism and the like. It is fine for a character to be a racist if the story requires it. It is not fine for the story to endorse racism or these other disgusting ideas.

This is not censorship. If you wrote a book today and carelessly inserted the forms of racism and sexism that exists in Blyton your book would never be published.

False comparisons abound as soon as talk starts on this topic. How quickly it goes from discussing racism to someone asking if a steam engine should be cut. What idiot really thinks these are comparable? Oh, we need to keep the steam engine so it looks like we're going to need to keep the racism too.

There is a very BIG difference between removing offensive era-generated concepts and cutting historical facts.

Ask yourself this - if you said the original should be left as is -- would you allow your child's black friend to borrow and read the books? Would you read the books to a mixed race class? Their little innocent faces looking up at you as you spurt out some racist garbage from the depths of time?


I respectfully disagree with you. I have and continue to let my children read "racist" material. Books do not make you racist anymore than playing a video game will turn you into a gangster. I think it is important for children to understand the way things were so that "times" never go back that way. To remove it from their sights, IMO, is offensive to them, as if saying they are not old enough to understand. Children do understand the difference.

The children who are avid readers are usually not the sort of persons who will end up committing some sort of racist act. In most cases, those children have grown up in homes with parents who have a love for literature. I read Twain, Salinger, Poe, Yerby and so many others when I was still in single digit ages. I KNEW the difference between right and wrong. I knew we didn't own slaves. But what I learned was it was not good to treat people differently because of color, etc.
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I am offended nowadays because young children are given books on same-sex parents, the idea that homosexuality is ok. Perhaps it is, but using your thinking, isn't it just too much for a young child to understand? I would much rather my child read Tom Sawyer than Bobby Has Two Mommies. I don't mean that comment racially or prejudiciously - just that you're always going to have content you don't want to expose your kids to. It is up to us as parents, not schools, publishers, etc., to provide that direction and "censorship". Thankfully, I had parents who encouraged me to read anything and everything and I am a better rounded individual to this day because of it. Hopefully, I have passed this along to my children - two of which are honors students in the universities they attend and two who are honor students in both middle and high school. When they are assigned books from school - guess what? I'm right there reading it with them. This is what will shape their characters - not the fact they read the book or the content. JMO.
Jen

"There are books of which the backs and covers are by far the best parts." Charles Dickens
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