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Insomniac
 28 Aug 2008, 18:06 #42833 Reply To Post
I read that prologues are out of vogue these days, so I try to avoid them.

But, I have a children's story where a two-page scene takes place four years earlier. I originally placed it in the first chapter, but I feel it bogs down the pace there. I've made it into a prologue and to me it seems like an improvement. But, am I risking instant agent rejection by doing this?

What points should I consider before deciding to keep it or ditch it?

Thanks for your advice and opinions.
JDSmith
 28 Aug 2008, 18:36 #42834 Reply To Post
I've stuck a prologue at the beginning of mine.

I know people have said that they have gone out of fashion, but as I see it, but the time I get published (that's when, not if :lol they will be back in fashion.

For my personal preference, I don't see a problem with them at all, so long as they tie into the plot.
JD
missmorston
 28 Aug 2008, 18:44 #42835 Reply To Post
I just had advice from an agent who said, 'If you have a prologue, make sure it is short, sweet , exciting and to the point. Agents won't reject you because you have one - they will if it is not gripping and adds to the plot. Use your own judgement
Stop the sketch - it's too silly
Bagpuss123
 28 Aug 2008, 19:43 #42840 Reply To Post
Quote: missmorston, Thursday, 28 Aug 2008 18:44
I just had advice from an agent who said, 'If you have a prologue, make sure it is short, sweet , exciting and to the point.


...and that it justifies itself well before the end.
jillprewett
 28 Aug 2008, 20:29 #42846 Reply To Post
Something here makes me uncomfortable.

If we are twisting ourselves in knots to make ourselves 'acceptable to agents', how far are we willing to go?

This smacks of music by committee, eg; Pop Idol, and all those other shows I can't name because I won't watch them. Strip creativity and talent down to what appeals to the masses, and you end up with art-by-committee.

I don't want to write clones of Tescos bestsellers. I don't want to apply the current formula for success to my stuff. I don't want to stick tassels on my nipples (apologies to all those of sensitive dispositions) to get noticed. I want to tell my stories, and I want to learn about the best way of communicating the essence of what I want to say.

This doesn't mean there's nothing left to learn. I am standing in the foothills of penmanship, and getting hauled up in stages by the excellent people here who give intelligent critical feedback.

Yet I feel a chilly horror at tinkering with my stuff in order to agent-please, according to the latest trend. When an agent/publisher takes you on, then you can consider whether to jump through hoops.

I have read your prologue Miss M, and it whacked me between the eyes! I thought it excellent.

Prologues/Preludes in or out? Frankly, my dears, whatever you want them to be.

Pterodactylus Nipplus
Bagpuss123
 28 Aug 2008, 22:19 #42856 Reply To Post
Quote: Bagpuss123, Thursday, 28 Aug 2008 19:43
Quote: missmorston, Thursday, 28 Aug 2008 18:44
I just had advice from an agent who said, 'If you have a prologue, make sure it is short, sweet , exciting and to the point.


...and that it justifies itself well before the end.


Of the book that is, not the prologue!
JenniferJay
 29 Aug 2008, 02:21 #42878 Reply To Post
I've had mixed reactions on the 15 reviews I've received to my prologue in Two for the Crow. One of the professional reviewers on this site once said to make the prologue as vague and mysterious as possible.
Some of the others on the site thought my prologue didn't go with the rest of the writing, or that prologues were simply out of style. I just got reviewed by a Random House reviewer, and she made special mention that she liked my prologue.
So, I'm sure if a publisher asked me to consider deleting the prologue in either of my novels, I'd take a look at that.
My other novel Handstands in the Shallow End also has a prologue, so I'm interested in seeing how that's reviewed.
Kasia
 29 Aug 2008, 20:35 #42920 Reply To Post
Quote: JenniferJay, Friday, 29 Aug 2008 02:21
I've had mixed reactions on the 15 reviews I've received to my prologue in Two for the Crow. One of the professional reviewers on this site once said to make the prologue as vague and mysterious as possible.
Some of the others on the site thought my prologue didn't go with the rest of the writing, or that prologues were simply out of style. I just got reviewed by a Random House reviewer, and she made special mention that she liked my prologue.
So, I'm sure if a publisher asked me to consider deleting the prologue in either of my novels, I'd take a look at that.
My other novel Handstands in the Shallow End also has a prologue, so I'm interested in seeing how that's reviewed.


the reviewer made an interesting point about why your prologue in 'two for a crow' works. "I also liked the prologue; it felt slightly filmic, following Mashpea, Theda’s cat, as he chases a mouse, offering a different perspective from the following chapters."

it is that different perspective, i think that makes it surprising and an addition, rather than a scene later on in the book (or before the start) in the same POV as the rest.

So for me the prologue isn't a no, no. rather you have to ask yourself why is it here, what does it add. You captured Mashpea's POV cleverly and what it reveals hooks the reader without making them feel cheated.
missmorston
 30 Aug 2008, 21:54 #42957 Reply To Post
Quote: Bagpuss123, Thursday, 28 Aug 2008 22:19
Quote: Bagpuss123, Thursday, 28 Aug 2008 19:43
Quote: missmorston, Thursday, 28 Aug 2008 18:44
I just had advice from an agent who said, 'If you have a prologue, make sure it is short, sweet , exciting and to the point.


...and that it justifies itself well before the end.


Of the book that is, not the prologue!




Stop the sketch - it's too silly
missmorston
 30 Aug 2008, 22:02 #42958 Reply To Post
Quote: jillprewett, Thursday, 28 Aug 2008 20:29

I have read your prologue Miss M, and it whacked me between the eyes! I thought it excellent.

Prologues/Preludes in or out? Frankly, my dears, whatever you want them to be.


Thank you for your kind words, Jill - I remember your review very well But I think that is the point to make - if a prologue is a hook, then have one. If it isn't, don't. It's the first thing a reader will see, so it needs to be the best writing in the best place with the best action.

I agree with your other points too. Writing isn't, for me, a pop-fic contest. If you're not writing what you want to write, the passion won't be there. Actually, I wouldn't say no to being in Tesco's, but I'll only get there by writing what has meaning for me - that means I'll probably never get there
JR
Stop the sketch - it's too silly
eilidh
 03 Sep 2008, 13:24 #43308 Reply To Post
First of all, Jill nailed it and it speaks my own concerns.We are not trendsetters anymore, we are followers.

What is the problem with Prologues?

The real problem is not in a prologue per se at all. It is in our urge to explain things. We feel that the reader only can follow our story if he has background information. A reader can only understand the character if he knows about the events in his past.
Most of the prologues are an attempt to stuff background information elegantly into the first two or three pages.

Elegantly...that's the key, and many stories could do perfectly without it. Filter in background as natural as possible. Characters act based on their past experience, but if you get to know a new person in real life, you're not getting a page pressed in your hand with all the background information either.

Some authors work with notes at the end or the beginning, as I plan a glossaryfor my historical fiction, leaving the reader the choice. But then I do have a kind of proloque, called chapter 1.

As a reader, I tend NOT to read the prologue. I want to read the story. Right away, from word one. I will read the foreword and the forework once I'm done. I want to get to know my characters by their actions and emotions and not by telling. Funny. eh? I bet there are many readers like me!

Keep writing.
timellis
 03 Sep 2008, 13:34 #43311 Reply To Post
There's a book called 'Hooked', can't remember who by now, about beginnings. The author advises that prologues are just backstory. I used a prologue in my first novel, it was 8,000 words ! Once I'd read 'Hooked' I realised he was right. The prologue was backstory (good), but unnecessary. If you're on your second book of a series then a prologue is useful, but otherwise agents will say, not another prologue!
jaccamelli
 07 Sep 2008, 12:22 #43601 Reply To Post

Am half-way through reading 'Hooked' and it's full of good advice. It's by Les Edgerton. Have also just finished 'On Writing' by Steven King which is also an excellent read.
Jacqui
Primrose Hill
 14 Nov 2008, 23:30 #49520 Reply To Post
I am having the same problem - debating about whether to put some backstory in a prologue.
What stops me is that I think there are a lot of people who either don't read them or skipread them, preferring not to have to begin the novel twice, if you see what I mean. So I worry about putting anything vital to the novel in a prologue in case it does not get read.
Primrose Hill
HPRW
 16 Nov 2008, 09:24 #49634 Reply To Post
I don't think there's an industry bias against prologues, so long as they do what they're meant to--which is to introduce some element of the story which is going to be very important later, and which informs the rest of the text. They must hook the reader, and make them ask questions that force them to read on. Otherwise they're redundant.

The trouble is that they're commonly used as an info-dump in order to tell the reader stuff that the writer couldn't manage to work into the text elsewhere, which is not good.
Apologies for any typos I might let slip by: I've developed a problem with my vision and I've not got used to it yet.

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