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Annie Wicking
 02 Aug 2008, 17:25 #40803 Reply To Post
They have asked to see my completed manuscript, which in itself is wonderful, but on an Amercian Forum they say this publishing company is a POD company.

I have looked on their website and can't see anywhere where they ask for money up front so I thought I'll ask you lot?

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JDSmith
 02 Aug 2008, 18:28 #40808 Reply To Post
Annie, I believe they have various imprints, including POD.
JD
dannyg
 02 Aug 2008, 18:30 #40809 Reply To Post
I don't know anything about this one, Annie, but it's becoming more common for smaller publishers (like Legend) to offer both traditional and POD services so I wouldn't be automatically suspicious unless they try to get you to pay anything up front.
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unclearthur
 09 Aug 2008, 11:50 #41333 Reply To Post
Hi Annie

Just noticed your thread - they've got my manuscript, too.

I trawled the net and couldn't find anything derogatory about them. They're the first publisher who've asked for a full submission so I'm expecting a rejection but hey - someone wants to read my book! And like YWO, all feedback's useful.

Good luck with yours.

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Jonathan



richie_d
 09 Aug 2008, 11:59 #41334 Reply To Post
Please read this thread: -


absolute write thread about pegasus elliot mackenziePegasus Elliot Mackenzie Publishers Ltd

And remember, if they ask for any money-even if it's not up front- it's a vanity publisher.
This post was last edited by richie_d, 09 Aug 2008, 12:01
Annie Wicking
 10 Aug 2008, 08:03 #41416 Reply To Post
Quote: richie_d, Saturday, 9 Aug 2008 11:59
Please read this thread: -


absolute write thread about pegasus elliot mackenziePegasus Elliot Mackenzie Publishers Ltd

And remember, if they ask for any money-even if it's not up front- it's a vanity publisher.


Thank you for your comments. I have just emailed some of their Authors to see if they were asked to pay anything to have their books published. Striaght from the horse mouth so to speak...

I shall let you all know what happen next.

The worst thing that can happen to a writer is to become a Writer. Mary McCarthy

The fact is, writing can be done only during the time when one ought to be doing something else. Isabel Paterson

Every New Writer's Journey
NickP
 10 Aug 2008, 09:51 #41422 Reply To Post
Annie.

I know it's tempting to continue investigating, but that Absolute Write thread is conclusive. Don't bother with them.
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Annie Wicking
 10 Aug 2008, 12:08 #41431 Reply To Post
quote=NickP, Sunday, 10 Aug 2008 09:51]Annie.

I know it's tempting to continue investigating, but that Absolute Write thread is conclusive. Don't bother with them.


Thank you, Nick, but this may lead to an interesting article I could publish.... 'How I uncovered the truth behind'....

Just how does a American Thread know so much about what goes on in the UK publishing company?

How much does this forum know what go on in American publishing world?

Yes, I know about Absolute Write and yes, there are lots of published authors on there. And some people who I'm sure has worked in the publishing industry. Yes, I also know that the forum also ask for money to support them in their work.

I also know that the forum has been going years and is seen as a know it all when it comes to being a new writer, but tell me now why should I take it as RED that I have no need to look into finding out things for myself.

Many years ago I was nearly caught out by 'PublishAmerica' I did some research of my own and found out that they were a company which published your book at a price.

In the course of my research I came across 'Absolute Write', but this was only after I had read an article online, which was in the an American Newspaper about the company.

As with all things I keep an open mind until I have done my own research. If its too good to be true, it normally is too good.
This post was last edited by Annie Wicking, 10 Aug 2008, 12:10
The worst thing that can happen to a writer is to become a Writer. Mary McCarthy

The fact is, writing can be done only during the time when one ought to be doing something else. Isabel Paterson

Every New Writer's Journey
missmorston
 10 Aug 2008, 19:48 #41444 Reply To Post
Annie - several years ago I worked with someone who had been published by Pegasus - their comment was, 'avoid like the plague'. The author ended up without support of any kind, and out of pocket by a large amount, so they told me. Not good.
JR

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Wendy Wynde
 14 Aug 2008, 12:09 #41883 Reply To Post
Quote: missmorston, Sunday, 10 Aug 2008 19:48
The author ended up without support of any kind, and out of pocket by a large amount...



Money should always flow to the author and not away. If you are having to spend money (apart from on legit self publishing) you are being conned. Simple as that.
This post was last edited by Wendy Wynde, 14 Aug 2008, 12:12
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leighvtwersky
 14 Aug 2008, 22:12 #41916 Reply To Post
Their entry in the Writer's Handbook 2007 has an added author's rating: [b]liable to ask authors to contribute to production costs.
HPRW
 07 Sep 2008, 14:48 #43614 Reply To Post
Quote: dannyg, Saturday, 2 Aug 2008 18:30
I don't know anything about this one, Annie, but it's becoming more common for smaller publishers (like Legend) to offer both traditional and POD services so I wouldn't be automatically suspicious unless they try to get you to pay anything up front.


Pegasus is a vanity press, nothing else. Don't publish with them if you want your books, and your writing, to do well, or if you're not prepared to pay over-the-odds for boxes full of a poorly-edited, probably-unmarketable book.

As for smaller publishers offering both traditional and POD services: there are several problems there.

POD is not the same as self-publishing. POD is a printing technology and NOT a business model. Lots of publishers, large and small, use POD: sometimes to keep their backlists in print, sometimes to avoid the cost of a print-run when they're short on cash (which is, in itself, a red flag if you're looking for a publisher--if they can't afford to print their own books, they are likely to be in trouble).

When a small press asks its writers to make a financial contribution to the publication of their own books, this is a clear conflict of interests.

Publishers should make their money by selling books to readers: not by selling books to their authors, or by getting their authors to pay for printing, editing and suchlike. Vanity presses often make the claim that what they do is subsidy publishing or cooperative publishing, but it's really just an attempt to disguise themselves as something a little more reputable: many have started off as perfectly reputable commercial publishers, but then discovered that they make more money by getting their authors to pay for the printing process than they make by making the effort to publish and promote the books to a wider audience.

Now, I don't know about Legend, specifically. I've not checked them out at all. But I have to say that if ANY publisher asks for a writer to make any financial contribution to the publication process then the writer will walk away from the deal, if he or she has any sense at all.

That's not to say that self-publishing is a Bad Thing: in fact, it can be a good thing when done under the right circumstances. But make sure that you really are self-publishing, and not falling for a vanity publisher in disguise.

Self-published books will have the author's own imprint on the copyright page, and an ISBN registered under the author's name. The company which prints the book will not be listed as the publisher in the book, on Amazon, or anywhere else.

Please, everyone: research your publishers properly BEFORE you submit to them, and save yourself the time, money and heartache of getting involved with a vanity press.

So ends my sermon. I'll try to not lecture next time, I promise.
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stretcher
 21 Nov 2008, 15:50 #50233 Reply To Post
Seems a bit of an old thread but PEM in Cambridge - They asked me eventually for £2700 - over ten months. I found another author who had paid £2900. If you want to know what you get look google for Delta One by Sheela Reith. I've seen much better work presented here even with bad review marks for presentation. One part looked like a chapter was missing. If you are desperate go ahead but you will pay this sort of money - see your book on Amazon and not get any money for 12 months after the book is released. They may argue this is normal. They are not crooks - it is a business but I decided against.
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Annie Wicking
 21 Nov 2008, 17:01 #50245 Reply To Post
Quote: stretcher, Friday, 21 Nov 2008 15:50
Seems a bit of an old thread but PEM in Cambridge - They asked me eventually for £2700 - over ten months. I found another author who had paid £2900. If you want to know what you get look google for Delta One by Sheela Reith. I've seen much better work presented here even with bad review marks for presentation. One part looked like a chapter was missing. If you are desperate go ahead but you will pay this sort of money - see your book on Amazon and not get any money for 12 months after the book is released. They may argue this is normal. They are not crooks - it is a business but I decided against.


Thank you for adding your comment to this interesting view on self-publishing.

Everyones viewpoint is valid, including yours HPRW.

I'm more that surprise to find you here, HPRW, but I'm glad you find YWO such a helpful site for advertising your blog. So you have found a good use for it after all. especially after telling me your views on what you thought of it as a site for helping for new writers

This post was last edited by Annie Wicking, 21 Nov 2008, 17:11
The worst thing that can happen to a writer is to become a Writer. Mary McCarthy

The fact is, writing can be done only during the time when one ought to be doing something else. Isabel Paterson

Every New Writer's Journey
HJW
 21 Nov 2008, 17:58 #50252 Reply To Post
Woud you like a spoon, Annie?
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