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fisher
 01 Oct 2008, 23:21 #45252 Reply To Post
Hey all,

just soliciting your thoughts on a couple of issues that have recently piqued my attention:

I just received a review which was fairly complimentary and also contained a constructive point or maybe two, BUT ...

it was brief at best, and okay, whatever ...

but it ended with the reviewer acknowledging that he/she had fallen way short of the 100 word limit and so he/she made it up with a hollow insincere wish of best luck etc etc ... just to make the limit.

Now I'm not going to name names, but isn't this just taking the piss out of a system that aims to guarantee a minimum input?

Or am I being harsh?

And then ...

I requested a reading assignment. And aren't we asked to submit a maximum of 10,000 words?

So what would you do if you received a story of close to 13.000 words? Isn't that just taking the piss?

Or am I being grumpy?

I deleted the assignment because mine, and every other story I've critiqued has made the effort to abide by the rules. And why should we indulge people who can't be fucked to play the game.

I would genuinely like to hear your thoughts.
jaywhat
 02 Oct 2008, 06:12 #45258 Reply To Post
Could not agree more. People who are not in with the spirit of the thing are best out. I have put my niggle about a review under a new topic, but it is on the same sort of thing.
I have done nearly 50 reviews so far and although I have to do them whether I want to or not, in order to get credits, I do try and take a bit of time and find the positive things as well as being a bit critical where necesary. Sticking to the 100 words is a bit thin. I can write 100 words of nastiness in about a minute if I want to.
lets all keep smiling eh!
benkelly
 02 Oct 2008, 06:19 #45260 Reply To Post
It used to be 50 words.

The only thing you ought to take from YWO is anything that helps improve how you write. By your own admission, the 'brief' review had 'a constructive point or two'. That's a nugget of gold.

Focus on your work and not on 'the system' and you'll benefit from the site. If you stop caring about how others use the site (or abuse, if you so feel) and instead focus in on the most important thing - your work - then YWO is a great tool for advancement.

Negative energy is available everywhere and kicking some up when frustrated or annoyed with how someone in cyber space acts is not helping you write or that other person give a damn.

and other Zen thoughts


On a side note, there is no word limit, but to be eligible for the charts, then an extract must be under 10,000 words.
This post was last edited by benkelly, 02 Oct 2008, 06:21
"Suck it up, say thank you and move on."

jaywhat
 02 Oct 2008, 10:47 #45271 Reply To Post
Fair enough, benkelly, but it is not necessarily self harming to have a bloody good moan now and again.
fisher
 02 Oct 2008, 11:54 #45274 Reply To Post
I hear what you're saying Ben. And I do appreciate the useful elements of any critique. I guess I'd just like to see people enter more fairly into the spirit of things, rather than simply banging out the minimum in order to get their credit. And, I'd also like people not to have annoying car alarms, not to queue jump, and not to pay for their groceries with small change. It's a small thing I know, and I feel rather petty about it now. I doubt I'd have commented on the short crit or the long sample on their own, but hot on the heels of each other, and it was raining and I was in a foul mood, yadda yadda yadda.

I stand by my point about entering into the spirit of things, but yeah, let's worry about more important stuff.

Here endeth the rant
Joe 90
 14 Oct 2008, 15:25 #46401 Reply To Post
Quote: fisher, Wednesday, 1 Oct 2008 23:21
Hey all,

just soliciting your thoughts on a couple of issues that have recently piqued my attention:

I just received a review which was fairly complimentary and also contained a constructive point or maybe two, BUT ...

it was brief at best, and okay, whatever ...

but it ended with the reviewer acknowledging that he/she had fallen way short of the 100 word limit and so he/she made it up with a hollow insincere wish of best luck etc etc ... just to make the limit.

Now I'm not going to name names, but isn't this just taking the piss out of a system that aims to guarantee a minimum input?

Or am I being harsh?

And then ...

I requested a reading assignment. And aren't we asked to submit a maximum of 10,000 words?

So what would you do if you received a story of close to 13.000 words? Isn't that just taking the piss?

Or am I being grumpy?

I deleted the assignment because mine, and every other story I've critiqued has made the effort to abide by the rules. And why should we indulge people who can't be fucked to play the game.

I would genuinely like to hear your thoughts.


I get three types of reviews to do. 1) Where I am seriously wondering what I can say constructive about the piece. (fortunately few and far between)
2) Where I see room for improvement and can fill many paragraphs making my point, with quotes from the piece included and
3) where I genuinely feel that I cannot say anything negative.
In the first and third cases I am sometimes forced to pad with a meaningless 'good luck'. Now I've given that away, paranoia will spread amongst those who have suffered at my hands.

Good luck.
NickP
 14 Oct 2008, 17:45 #46418 Reply To Post
Quote: Joe 90, Tuesday, 14 Oct 2008 15:25
Quote: fisher, Wednesday, 1 Oct 2008 23:21
Hey all,

just soliciting your thoughts on a couple of issues that have recently piqued my attention:

I just received a review which was fairly complimentary and also contained a constructive point or maybe two, BUT ...

it was brief at best, and okay, whatever ...

but it ended with the reviewer acknowledging that he/she had fallen way short of the 100 word limit and so he/she made it up with a hollow insincere wish of best luck etc etc ... just to make the limit.

Now I'm not going to name names, but isn't this just taking the piss out of a system that aims to guarantee a minimum input?

Or am I being harsh?

And then ...

I requested a reading assignment. And aren't we asked to submit a maximum of 10,000 words?

So what would you do if you received a story of close to 13.000 words? Isn't that just taking the piss?

Or am I being grumpy?

I deleted the assignment because mine, and every other story I've critiqued has made the effort to abide by the rules. And why should we indulge people who can't be fucked to play the game.

I would genuinely like to hear your thoughts.


I get three types of reviews to do. 1) Where I am seriously wondering what I can say constructive about the piece. (fortunately few and far between)
2) Where I see room for improvement and can fill many paragraphs making my point, with quotes from the piece included and
3) where I genuinely feel that I cannot say anything negative.
In the first and third cases I am sometimes forced to pad with a meaningless 'good luck'. Now I've given that away, paranoia will spread amongst those who have suffered at my hands.

Good luck.


You reviewed one of mine, once. Now deleted. You seem to have revised your critting "rules" since.

If I ever get one of yours, it will have to be a work of genius to get any more than 2s from me.
"...the likes of NickP can rant on if they like"

I occasionally rant on at http://amonsterinthemirror.blogspot.com/
timellis
 14 Oct 2008, 17:57 #46420 Reply To Post
Mmmmmmmm ! I think I'll go for a pint now ! Anyone want to join me ? It's my round !

NickP
 14 Oct 2008, 19:43 #46432 Reply To Post
Obviously what I would really do is dump it.

Unless it was brilliant. There's always that chance.
"...the likes of NickP can rant on if they like"

I occasionally rant on at http://amonsterinthemirror.blogspot.com/
41152
 27 Oct 2008, 18:31 #47505 Reply To Post
Sorry to be late, but I have to say. Some need to be a bit more understanding when it comes to reviewing. I've 'packed' before because I couldn't think of anything good to say. I feel I'm qualified to spot basic errors, and let you know If I enjoyed your work. Not much more.

I've written 5 crits. 2 good, 2 average + 1 ugly. - but I try to customer crit. I'm not an English teacher.

Too many crit to their own aspirations. Some do not subscribe to the 1st person, show and tell arc of the 2nd act method. Why mark them down for it? Fluffy tales of hill and dale don't really do it for me. - But if it flows and is pleasurable then it gets its marks.

I've received 5 crits, I know I ain't never getting in no top 10. Sad innit!
Do you know how hard it is to be this damn good?

GENIUS INCORPORATED (International) PLC

If I'm not there try: The Crown, The Kings Arms or William Hill.
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